Environmentalist Paul Hawken: ‘We have basically isolated and objectified carbon’

The Two Steps Forward podcast is accessible on various platforms such as Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and Trellis, with new episodes released every other Tuesday. Paul Hawken, a prominent figure in sustainability for over 40 years, discusses his latest book “Carbon: The Book of Life” in a recent interview on the podcast. In the book, Hawken shifts the narrative on carbon from being solely a climate pollutant to an essential element in all living systems. He critiques the climate movement for dehumanizing carbon and advocates for a perspective shift towards possibility instead of fear. Additionally, the podcast delves into the topic of neurodiversity in sustainability.

Hawken, known for works like “The Ecology of Commerce” and “Blessed Unrest,” emphasizes the importance of grassroots efforts and individual actions in addressing climate and biodiversity issues. He challenges conventional approaches like direct air capture and emphasizes local, community-based initiatives. Hawken also expresses optimism in the power of grassroots organizations, highlighting their effectiveness in tackling environmental challenges compared to governments and corporations. The podcast also touches on the need to reframe discussions around carbon, viewing it as a fundamental aspect of life rather than a mere object to be controlled.